The place of knowledge in the transformation of man and society
12 Seminars, Brockwood Park 1974 (Two Volumes)
Summary of Contents:
1.Preparatory meeting (without Krishnamurti) - 13 October 1974
Duration: 78 minutes
Introductory talk given by David Bohm (Physicist).
David Bohm: What place has knowledge in the transformation of man and society?
DB: There are two kinds of intelligence, a general all-round intelligence and an intelligence at the service of stupid aims.
DB: The transformation of mankind will depend on the transformation of individuals.
Fritjof Capra: To survive we need a more holistic knowledge which is not only rational but is intuitive and akin to mystical and religious knowledge.
DB: Is a creative action possible which is predetermined beforehand as to its goal?
DB: Is there a difference between the technical approach and the artistic approach to the world?
2. Modern physics and Eastern mysticism, the self and seeing - 14 October 1974
Duration: 128 minutes
Introductory talk given by Fritjof Capra (Physicist).
Fritjof Capra: The parallels between modern physics and Eastern mysticism are striking, significant and profound.
FC: Quantum theory has made us aware that particles are not isolated grains of matter but are interconnections in an inseparable cosmic web.
FC: The aim of both physicists and mystics is the same: to see into to the essential nature of things. Their methods are thoroughly empirical.
FC: What are the implications of the profound harmony between the worldviews of modern physics and mystical thought?
Gordon Globus: I find myself not agreeing with Krishnamurti and very much agreeing with Freud, believing that there are very deep biological roots to self-interest.
K: Apart from theories and speculations, what is the self, the ‘me’?
K: When you see something as being true or false, can that be changed?
3. Defining being human, compassion, feeling special - 14 October 1974
Duration: 123 minutes
Introductory talk given by Julian Melzack (Philosopher).
Julian Melzack: There is a prima facie incompatibility in what science is doing in trying to understand man and what we think man to be.
JM: Man is a probability automaton.
Gordon Globus: Your approach is in terms of language descriptions and I don’t think you’re accounting for awareness.
David Bohm: No machine, not even a probability machine, will actually explain quantum mechanics.
DB: How can you define what is meant by being human?
Fritjof Capra: I think we all can agree that man is a quantum probabilistic automaton.
Robin Monro: A mechanistic view of man doesn’t adequately account for consciousness.
K: Can compassion and love be taught?
K: How can I have passion?
K: How does one go beyond sorrow?
K: Why this desire to be something special?
4. The brain, images in relationship, yoga - 15 October 1974
Duration: 128 minutes
Introductory talk given by Karl Pribram (Psychiatrist).
Karl Pribram: Brain function in perception means that an input from the sense organs becomes distributed across the extent of the cortex to which that input system projects.
KP: Knowledge influences our perceptions.
K: What is the central factor in human relationship that brings distortion?
K: Is it possible not to have an image of oneself?
K: Am I human being first and scientist afterwards, or a scientist first and a human being afterwards?
K: The question in yoga is to breathe without will or effort. The moment you bring in effort, you cease to do yoga.
K: Effort is the crux of our whole civilization.
K: Are we geared to success, to achieving, to conquering?
K: I’ve never made an effort about anything: being, not being, achieving, not achieving.
5. Transformation, feeling responsible, being attached - 15 October 1974
Duration: 93 minutes
Introductory talk given by George Sudarshan (Physicist).
George Sudarshan: Corruption and breakdown of integrity amongst academic intellectuals is unaesthetic misogynation that we must be aware of in bringing about a transformation of mankind.
K: As long as there is fear, the other cannot be. My chief concern is not the other but the elimination of fear.
K: If your consciousness is transformed, that transformation will affect the whole of the consciousness of man.
GS: When I am transformed, when I feel harmony, those around me get an inkling of it and perhaps they too are transformed to an extent.
K: Inwardly I know nothing, and only in that not-knowing something new can happen.
K: Can I live in this world without attachment?
K: When you are detached it means that you really love and that you are responsible.
K: What am I without my country, my prejudices, superstitions, fears and pleasures?
6. Dreaming, meditation and laziness - 16 October 1974
Duration: 121 minutes
Introductory talk given by Montague Ullman (Psychiatrist).
Montague Ullman: What we experience as a dream has an antecedent history in an event beyond time and space ordering.
MU: Dreams come upon us in an instantaneous happening at critical moments in the transformation of one form of consciousness into another.
MU: What is the agency that provides the unending source of unerringly apt visual metaphors, the images in our dreams?
K: Is it possible not to dream at all and so have much more energy?
K: During sleep, is there a different form of energy?
K: Meditation is a movement in which contradictions are wiped out.
K: Control is the very essence of disorder.
K: What is the desire, the urge for psychological experience?
K: If there is no thought, is there a thinker?
K: If you are in the state of ‘A’, don’t compare, don’t force. Watch that state of ‘A’, be with it.
K: I am unhappy with my laziness. I remain with my unhappiness, not wanting to be happy.