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The place of knowledge in the transformation of man and society - Volume 1 (MP3 disc) Two Volumes

The place of knowledge in the transformation of man and society - Volume 1 (MP3 disc) Two Volumes

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The place of knowledge in the transformation of man and society

12 Seminars, Brockwood Park 1974 (Two Volumes)

Please note that K does not participate to the first (preparatory) seminar. Otherwise the participants are J. Krishnamurti, David Bohm, David Butt, Fritjof Capra, Elizabeth Ferris, Gordan Globus, Mrs Globus, Bryan Goodwin, Basil Hiley, Julian Melzack, Robin Monro, David Peat, Karl Pribram, David Shainberg, George Sudarshan, Harsh Tanka and Montague Ullma.

Six Seminars 

Summary of Contents: 

1.Preparatory meeting (without Krishnamurti) - 13 October 1974

Duration: 78 minutes

Introductory talk given by David Bohm (Physicist).

David Bohm: What place has knowledge in the transformation of man and society?

DB: There are two kinds of intelligence, a general all-round intelligence and an intelligence at the service of stupid aims.

DB: The transformation of mankind will depend on the transformation of individuals.

Fritjof Capra: To survive we need a more holistic knowledge which is not only rational but is intuitive and akin to mystical and religious knowledge.

DB: Is a creative action possible which is predetermined beforehand as to its goal?

DB: Is there a difference between the technical approach and the artistic approach to the world?


2. Modern physics and Eastern mysticism, the self and seeing - 14 October 1974

Duration: 128 minutes

Introductory talk given by Fritjof Capra (Physicist).

Fritjof Capra: The parallels between modern physics and Eastern mysticism are striking, significant and profound.

FC: Quantum theory has made us aware that particles are not isolated grains of matter but are interconnections in an inseparable cosmic web.

FC: The aim of both physicists and mystics is the same: to see into to the essential nature of things. Their methods are thoroughly empirical.

FC: What are the implications of the profound harmony between the worldviews of modern physics and mystical thought?

Gordon Globus: I find myself not agreeing with Krishnamurti and very much agreeing with Freud, believing that there are very deep biological roots to self-interest.

K: Apart from theories and speculations, what is the self, the ‘me’?

K: When you see something as being true or false, can that be changed?


3. Defining being human, compassion, feeling special - 14 October 1974

Duration: 123 minutes

Introductory talk given by Julian Melzack (Philosopher).

Julian Melzack: There is a prima facie incompatibility in what science is doing in trying to understand man and what we think man to be.

JM: Man is a probability automaton.

Gordon Globus: Your approach is in terms of language descriptions and I don’t think you’re accounting for awareness.

David Bohm: No machine, not even a probability machine, will actually explain quantum mechanics.

DB: How can you define what is meant by being human?

Fritjof Capra: I think we all can agree that man is a quantum probabilistic automaton.

Robin Monro: A mechanistic view of man doesn’t adequately account for consciousness.

K: Can compassion and love be taught?

K: How can I have passion?

K: How does one go beyond sorrow?

K: Why this desire to be something special?


4. The brain, images in relationship, yoga - 15 October 1974

Duration: 128 minutes

Introductory talk given by Karl Pribram (Psychiatrist).

Karl Pribram: Brain function in perception means that an input from the sense organs becomes distributed across the extent of the cortex to which that input system projects.

KP: Knowledge influences our perceptions.

K: What is the central factor in human relationship that brings distortion?

K: Is it possible not to have an image of oneself?

K: Am I human being first and scientist afterwards, or a scientist first and a human being afterwards?

K: The question in yoga is to breathe without will or effort. The moment you bring in effort, you cease to do yoga.

K: Effort is the crux of our whole civilization.

K: Are we geared to success, to achieving, to conquering?

K: I’ve never made an effort about anything: being, not being, achieving, not achieving.


5. Transformation, feeling responsible, being attached - 15 October 1974

Duration: 93 minutes

Introductory talk given by George Sudarshan (Physicist).

George Sudarshan: Corruption and breakdown of integrity amongst academic intellectuals is unaesthetic misogynation that we must be aware of in bringing about a transformation of mankind.

K: As long as there is fear, the other cannot be. My chief concern is not the other but the elimination of fear.

K: If your consciousness is transformed, that transformation will affect the whole of the consciousness of man.

GS: When I am transformed, when I feel harmony, those around me get an inkling of it and perhaps they too are transformed to an extent.

K: Inwardly I know nothing, and only in that not-knowing something new can happen.

K: Can I live in this world without attachment?

K: When you are detached it means that you really love and that you are responsible.

K: What am I without my country, my prejudices, superstitions, fears and pleasures?


6. Dreaming, meditation and laziness - 16 October 1974

Duration: 121 minutes

Introductory talk given by Montague Ullman (Psychiatrist).

Montague Ullman: What we experience as a dream has an antecedent history in an event beyond time and space ordering.

MU: Dreams come upon us in an instantaneous happening at critical moments in the transformation of one form of consciousness into another.

MU: What is the agency that provides the unending source of unerringly apt visual metaphors, the images in our dreams?

K: Is it possible not to dream at all and so have much more energy?

K: During sleep, is there a different form of energy?

K: Meditation is a movement in which contradictions are wiped out.

K: Control is the very essence of disorder.

K: What is the desire, the urge for psychological experience?

K: If there is no thought, is there a thinker?

K: If you are in the state of ‘A’, don’t compare, don’t force. Watch that state of ‘A’, be with it.

K: I am unhappy with my laziness. I remain with my unhappiness, not wanting to be happy.





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