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Can the brain look at itself and not create the observer? - Four Small Group Discussions with David Bohm (MP3 DISC)

Can the brain look at itself and not create the observer? - Four Small Group Discussions with David Bohm (MP3 DISC)

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Audio | J. Krishnamurti, David Bohm – Brockwood Park 1973 – Small Group Discussions – Can the brain look at itself and not create the observer?

Duration: 3 hours 

1. Small Group Discussion 1 - We can only learn about ourselves in the mirror of relationship

What are the effects and the nature of acceptance of authority?

What does the guru know more than the disciple? If one is a light to oneself, which is natural and revealing, why should one accept the light of another?

What is myself? Can anybody teach me about myself?

Are we seeing through the eyes of the observer?

Only in the mirror of relationship is there learning.

I have an image about you, built in our relationship, so I cannot see you. If I have no image then I can see.

I am living with you and I am hurting you. How will you be free of me and live in the same house?

Can you observe me without the reaction of the image, which is knowledge?

Note: Some content is missing from the original recording.


2. Small Group Discussion 2 - The brain trying to find security creates the image

Is it possible to be free of images?

My image about myself has been hurt; if I have no image about myself I am not hurt.

Is the image different from the image-maker?

Why does one’s brain have images? Is it for self-protection?

Has my brain put aside all illusions created in its search for security?

There is security only when the brain is completely still.

The movement of the brain is time. In time it is seeking security and when time is not, it is frightened.

The brain has created the ‘me’ which is the greatest image it has, offering security subjectively.

Can the mind see the whole movement of image-making non-fragmentarily?

Can the mind be totally still, absolutely silent without any compulsion, desire or reward?

Can we live in relationship without conflict and images? This is the only thing that can produce peace in the world.


3Small Group Discussion 3 - Duality, envy and sorrow

What do we mean by duality? Does it exist at all?

I am trying to find out how to live in this world, not being a coward nor being courageous.

The mind is conditioned to accept the opposite as a means of transcending ‘what is’.

Is it possible to be free of envy without effort?

How does desire arise?

Where there is effort there is duality, the observer and observed.

There is sorrow in the world and there is sorrow in oneself. What is one to do?

I see I have wasted time in escape, analysis, hope, comfort, illusions, looking for a doctrine that will be satisfactory.

Can the mind be completely without movement?


4. Small Group Discussion 4 - Meditation, control, belief and not knowing

Is sitting quietly meditation?

Most meditations insist on controlling thought in one form or another.

Why is there division between the controlled and the controller? Unless this is deeply understood, real meditation cannot take place.

Belief in any form is a danger.

One must find out how to go beyond the inventions of thought, which is meditation.

Is there security in the movement of thought?

Why should thought come to an end?

Thought is disharmony. Can the brain be totally inactive?

You can only see when the observer is not.

Harmony is non-thought.

Can the brain be still?

What happens, what is the state of mind when you say, ‘I really don’t know’?

Thought says, ‘I must know,’ never saying, ‘I don’t know.’

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